Episode 13

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4th Mar 2025

Coping with Chaos: AnneMoss Rogers' Guide to Emotional Wellbeing

Navigating Uncertainty with AnneMoss Rogers on Suicide Zen Forgiveness

In this special episode of the 'Suicide Zen Forgiveness' podcast, Elaine Lindsay continues the new series, 'Navigating Uncertainty'. The episode aims to provide real-time insights, expert advice, and honest conversations to help listeners navigate challenging times marked by confusion, chaos, and unpredictability. The guest, Anne Moss Rogers, a suicide prevention and mental health speaker, discusses the importance of coping strategies and mindfulness. They explore practical tools such as taking a deep breath, finding stable aspects of life, and employing healthy coping techniques. The episode also highlights the value of listening, validating others, and finding self-care in acts of kindness. Listeners are encouraged to give time and attention to others to build resilience and connection.

00:00 Introduction to Navigating Uncertainty

01:29 Meet the Host and Series Overview

03:17 Introducing AnneMoss Rogers

04:21 Understanding and Coping with Anxiety

06:24 Practical Coping Strategies

10:52 The Importance of Listening and Validation

13:46 Personal Stories and Reflections

22:01 Acts of Kindness and Self-Care

32:55 Final Thoughts and Conclusion

36:25 Closing Remarks and Sponsor Acknowledgements


Transcript
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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna: Navigating

Uncertainty, a special series inside

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Suicides and Forgiveness podcast.

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This is a real time series that will be

airing at intervals over the next year.

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Right now, life feels so confusing and

overwhelming and even unpredictable.

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There seems to be chaos everywhere.

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This series is here to help.

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We're bringing you real time

insights, expert advice, and raw,

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honest conversations to help you

navigate these challenging times.

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We're going to share practical

tools, expert perspectives, and

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have meaningful discussions.

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Whether you're searching for clarity,

connection, or just a few moments of

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peace, You'll find something here.

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Not everybody's going to agree

with everything shared in this

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series, and that will include some

of our guests, and that's okay.

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We want to equip you with a useful

virtual toolbox that's available

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to you whenever you need it.

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We're here to explore all sides

of the uncertain together, so

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let's get on with the show.

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Hello, it's so good to be back.

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I'm Elaine Lindsay, as we said,

and today we are working in the

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series Navigating Uncertainty.

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This is our series inside the

Suicide Zen Forgiveness podcast.

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It's a real time series and it's going

to air at intervals over the next year.

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It'll depend on how things shake

out around the world, because

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let's face it, folks, life feels so

confusing right now, and the point

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of this series is to try and help.

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Okay, it's packed with real

time information and tips, some

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expert resources, and raw, honest

conversations designed to guide you

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through these challenging times.

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We will have special guests like David

Ammerland, Mark Babbitt, Andy Grant, and

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my lovely guest today, AnneMoss Rogers.

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They're going to be sharing practical

tips and truly meaningful conversations,

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as well as some expert resources.

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Whether you're seeking

clarity, connection, or

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just a few moments of peace.

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This series has something for everyone.

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Now, not everybody, maybe you,

will agree with everything you

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hear during the series, and you may

not agree with some of our guests.

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I want to look at all sides of the

situation around the world to help

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us all face the uncertainty together.

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With that said, I would like to introduce

my guest and say hello to AnneMoss Rogers.

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Lovely to have you back.

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AnneMoss Rogers: Thank

you so much for having me.

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And just so everyone knows,

my first name is AnneMoss.

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It's a southern thing, so

you have to say both words.

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I'm a suicide prevention

speaker, mental health speaker.

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I speak mostly in the education

space and at companies and workplaces

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on topics related to mental health

and finding coping strategies.

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And of course, my niche

is suicide prevention.

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna:

Thank you for that.

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We will make sure along with all

the rest of the information about

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AnneMoss, that's why I say it like

that it will be down below as well as

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a link to her original bio, et cetera,

on her previous podcast with us.

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So navigating uncertainty.

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This is a term that, that I bandied about

last, late last fall, and with everything

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going on in the world, there are wars

happening, there is this change in the

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president, in America, there are displaced

peoples in so many different countries

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right now, the price of everything,

everywhere is going through the roof, and

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the fact is, Unless you're sound asleep.

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I think everybody has some fear.

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Would you say

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AnneMoss Rogers: I would?

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I think I've noticed a lot of

anxiety, a lot of what I call

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catastrophizing, and I think that's

an important subject for us to tackle.

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And I think it's more important than ever

to learn to take that deep breath, take

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that pause and stay in the present and not

start to project because that's where we

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can really get chaotic within ourselves.

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Because there's all this chaos

and instability out here, and we

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tend to want to just throw up our

hands and go, I'm so overwhelmed.

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I'm frozen.

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And I can't do anything.

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And that's not true, but you can

acknowledge and sit with that feeling.

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna: There, and

that's a really good point because one

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of the things I think that get us into

the most trouble is running away from our

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feelings and I can, yeah, I can honestly

say I am the queen of running away.

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I'm getting better now.

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I say in my old age, I will actually

sit and allow the feeling to what I

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call flow and go, because that's really.

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Where we're at our optimum,

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AnneMoss Rogers: That feeling has

a name and in dbt, if you look at

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dialectical behavioral therapy skills,

dbt skills, one of them is called

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ride the wave and if you're in that

sort of moment of catastrophizing,

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first thing you have to do.

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Take a deep breath and learn to take that

pause, and then you just have to go with

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the feeling, diving into it, allowing

it to happen, and sit with it, because

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the intensity of that feeling will last

60 to 90 seconds, and a lot of people

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are like, oh, it lasts much longer.

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If that is the case,

you're sitting with it.

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And then you're refiring that emotion

because you're not allowing it to

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lift and then distracting yourself

with a healthy coping strategy.

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And that's the key.

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You sit with it.

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It will eventually live, 60 to 90

seconds, and that's when you plan,

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I'm gonna go take a walk, I'm gonna

go get in the shower, I'm gonna

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dance to music, I'm gonna read, I'm

gonna write, whatever your thing is.

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And you should have a toolbox,

because not every, if you only have

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one, then it's not appropriate.

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I was at a university, this is funny.

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Is it a university?

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And I said, so what are

your coping strategies?

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And the young men in the back,

they're about four of them, of course,

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they throw up their hands, sex.

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Okay.

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Yeah, that, that is a coping strategy.

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What else?

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And they're like, they're 21 years old.

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They're like, there is nothing

else in the whole wide world.

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I'm like let me give you an example.

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You are in the frozen food

section at a grocery store and

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suddenly you have a panic attack.

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Is that particular coping strategy

available to you right at that

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moment without getting arrested?

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna:

That's a good point there.

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AnneMoss Rogers: So that's

why you should have several.

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And a healthy coping strategy, and let's

define that, is one that long term use of.

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Won't cause you problems.

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So if you're in, like

you mentioned, avoiding.

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So a lot of people want to numb it

with drugs and alcohol, or they want

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to eat Ben and Jerry's ice cream, or

they want to go do retail therapy.

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All those, if you do them over time the

retail therapy, if you did that every time

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you were anxious, you're not gonna have

enough to pay your electric bill, right?

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You eat too much ice

cream, you're gonna end up.

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gaining too much weight, you're

going to be unhappy with yourself,

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drugs and alcohol that can lead

to addiction and dependence.

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So you want to pick one walking, running,

writing somebody said beekeeping.

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I've had people say rock climbing,

listening to music, writing music,

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playing music, playing a game, meditation.

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It doesn't have to be quiet, but it

can be in meditation is a quieter one.

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It works for a lot of people.

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And if that doesn't work for you,

then you can do an active one.

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I like to go and do angry summit,

which is a hill near my house.

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And when I walk up there, I'm

barely able to breathe no matter.

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What kind of shape I'm in because

it's straight up for two miles.

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Wow.

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And I'm dying and I'm not angry or sad.

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna: Just

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AnneMoss Rogers: glad to be

alive once I get to the top.

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It's a mile.

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This one's a mile, not two miles.

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna: Oh, wow.

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Wow.

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That sounds good.

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That's a really good point that

not, it doesn't have to be quiet.

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It doesn't have to be One way my

spiritual mentor suggests that people

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who have a hard time with any of their

emotions, get a heavy bag and put it in

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your basement or get a pile of pillows

and do, scream into a pillow, beat a

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heavy bag, go get that frustration out.

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Again, it's a way to let it flow and go.

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Because.

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What you said, I think is

so critically important.

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60 to 90 seconds.

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That's all we have to get through to then

be able to take ourselves somewhere else.

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And when we can remember that, when we

can latch on to one of the tools that

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we've put in this virtual toolbox, 60

to 90 seconds is not that long a time.

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It takes a while to get to a

place where you can have that

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kind of ingrained so you get it.

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And, I'm going to be

perfectly honest here.

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There are days where the 60 to 90 seconds

can feel like forever and anger can

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make you really unattractive and it can

be very hard to get out of anger when

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you've allowed it to just take over.

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But, having said all that, you can choose.

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At any moment, that's enough.

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That choice is always ours.

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If you remember nothing else from

what we do over this series, the

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bottom line is the choices are yours.

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Those choices for internal control,

I guess is the word I'm looking for.

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That's your choice.

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We always have choice

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AnneMoss Rogers: And the deep breath or

taking a pause is really the foundation

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of all coping mindfulness, but in order

to do mindfulness, you have to learn

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to take thoughts, you have to learn

to stop and that's why, whether I'm

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talking with university, doing suicide

prevention training, or I'm at a.

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workplace or I'm talking to a

preschool group, impulse control

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over and over again, praise yourself

for those times where you take a

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deep breath and you take a pause.

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And at first you won't, if you

have trouble with impulse control,

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it's going to take you longer.

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So give yourself some grace.

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If you do it one out of 20 times.

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Yes.

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And you're like, Oh,

yeah, I did it that once.

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And then once you praise

yourself, or somebody else does,

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you'll start to remember it.

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And it takes a while

before it becomes a habit.

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And when I lost my son to suicide,

that was one of the coping strategies.

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I had to feel the feelings.

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Because when you sit with the

feelings of instability or chaos or

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whatever it is, and you acknowledge

them, healing starts to happen.

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You're building resilience.

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So it's not like that pain

doesn't have a purpose.

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It does.

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And when we start projecting, now,

I was never an avoiding person.

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I've always Oh, that's a problem.

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I'm gonna dive right in.

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I don't want to suffer

any longer than I have to.

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So while there's nothing we can do for

your pain, we can lessen that suffering.

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And when we catastrophize, what

we're doing is projecting into the

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future something that has never

happened and we're hovering over it.

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So let's say you predicted

everything that's going on right now.

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Did that help you in any way?

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Did pre worrying, or is it just I

told you it was going to happen.

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If it helps you and you start to project,

say if that happens, I have this plan in

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place and that's what I'm going to do.

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And then you can put a lid on that box.

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And anytime you come back to that, I go.

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I've already thought about

what I'm going to do.

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I have a bomb shelter.

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I'll go in the bomb shelter and

I have it all set up down there.

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So if that makes you

feel better, then good.

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Because when my son was using,

I used to catastrophize.

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Every time I got a phone call, he's in a

ditch, he's dying, he's been thrown from

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a car, it was, I always saw him in the

hospital, hooked up to me, or in a coffin,

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna: Yeah,

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AnneMoss Rogers: and yeah, he did

die by suicide eventually, but

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every phone call, I felt that.

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And then I had to finally get to a

place where this is not helping me.

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I'm wrung out.

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And I can't keep going through this.

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I can only do so much.

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna:

You must have been exhausted.

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AnneMoss Rogers: Oh, absolutely.

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And it was that exhaustion.

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that forced me to get help.

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And I tried the therapy thing and I

think that is a really awesome solution.

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But what helped me was a group.

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I needed to be connecting with other

people who were going through this.

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I needed to see that there

were some success stories.

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I needed to see that other people

like me were going through this.

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And that's when I started to chill out.

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Oh, I am not the only one.

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There are people who have it worse.

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And some people who don't have it as bad.

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna: know?

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Yeah.

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That's such a good point.

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Because therapy is great, and groups are

great, and those of us who avoid, it's

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funny how in studies and things that kept

my attention, good things I'm dead ahead.

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Let's go, let's do it, let's whatever.

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But in hindsight, as a child,

I grew up in a home that was.

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It's absolute chaos and not

chaos, not a whole bunch of

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stuff going on in a bad way.

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But we came to this country

where I live with my mom, my

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dad, my grandmother, and my aunt.

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And my aunt was very ill.

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My aunt had a heart condition

and she very shortly after that

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had breast cancer and she went

through a ton of different things.

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When we were living in the same

city, we would live together.

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So it meant we were right in the

thick of it and we were part of

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her being taken to the hospital.

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And it became such a regular occurrence.

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But the state was always heightened.

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My mother was always on like tenterhooks.

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She was always waiting

for the shoe to drop.

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And we moved away five

hours away when I was five.

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And so it became.

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This constant, every time the phone rang I

would hold my breath because I was waiting

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for my mother to react and it often meant

that we would have to get in the car and

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drive for five hours right away, or my

father and I would go and it just became

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this constant cycle and that became my

go to for anything untoward, anything I

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didn't want to feel, then I just basically

left this building, this body I'm in.

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It was just, okay, I'm out of here.

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And it's funny how, in hindsight,

we find these things out.

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But back in the day, when Andrea, my

friend, died, That was:

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were no Samaritans or Trevor Project or

any of the, there wasn't even 9 1 1 back

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then, there was nothing that was in place

to explain to us or to give us an outlet.

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Or even like us right here, to give you

any kind of tools that you could use.

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AnneMoss Rogers: Or anybody that

would talk about it, or talk it.

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna: Okay, yeah,

you definitely didn't talk about it.

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And we, I had the added pressure of

being Catholic, going to a parochial

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school, and my friend was Jewish.

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There was no way I could say anything,

any of us at school, because that

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was the cardinal sin in Catholicism.

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At the time, in this country,

It was still a crime.

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AnneMoss Rogers: Oh yeah, in

some states, here in the United

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States, it's still on the books.

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Even if it's not.

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In

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna: Virginia, yeah.

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It doesn't

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AnneMoss Rogers: have a statute attached.

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Our governor vetoed it after the

first time we ever tried it, and

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it was like, after 10 years, we got

bigger fish to fry, we'll, we won't,

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we'll just leave it alone for now.

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna: I

think that's a really good idea.

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But you can understand that.

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That kind of avoidance and that kind of

Back then, no one wanted to acknowledge

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that there was a suicide in their family.

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Oh, no.

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No one wanted to.

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It was a shame ta.

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Yeah, and it was taboo, like mental

health, like anything back then,

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there was so much that was taboo.

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It made it really hard.

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have made good strides.

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But they're not good enough in order to

handle, especially where we are right now

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in the world, and this is the whole world

is having such a hard time with what's

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going on around us at the end of 2024.

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We had lost well over a million people.

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The estimate for 2024 was 800, 000

people in the world to die by suicide.

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And we went over that by 25 percent

that is absolutely, I'm sorry, but it's

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obscene for us to lose that many people.

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We can make a difference.

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And my thing is about step up to listen.

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That's letting people know

that they're seen and they're

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heard, and listening to people.

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And it's not just the people

that are attached to you.

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Sometimes, I ask if everybody

take one person a month, and

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just give them 10 minutes.

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I don't want you to fix anything.

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I don't want you to give

them any kind of solutions.

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I just want you to listen, because

that's really what we want.

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We want someone to listen to us

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AnneMoss Rogers: to hear us and

I just wrote an article for Dr.

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Stacey Friedenthal site about

toxic positivity doesn't fix

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depression or suicidal thoughts

because people think that.

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When somebody says, I'm so ugly they

naturally want to say, no, you're not.

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And I get that.

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I want to say it too.

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I've learned not to, and I've

learned to say instead, what makes

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you think that you're so ugly.

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Now, if it's so uncomfortable for you.

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Later in that conversation, you

get to say, for the record, I

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understand that you feel that way.

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I don't see you that way.

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And I just want you to know that I don't.

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It's just important to me,

but we want to focus on them.

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna: Yes,

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AnneMoss Rogers: and how they feel

so they can talk if you ask them

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open ended questions, then they

think about why do I feel that way?

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And then they start talking.

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So all this lumbo jumbo has taken up

a lot of brain real estate, right?

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And once they start talking.

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It no longer is.

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So it's bringing up space

in that person's head.

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So you think this listening

stuff, I'm not doing anything.

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You are.

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Don't undervalue the value of allowing

another person to feel heard because it

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does free up all that space in their head.

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And when we're listening, We're

nodding, we're leaning in, and we may

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only occasionally be asking open ended

questions or asking for clarification.

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Keep the focus on them.

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So you don't want to say what would your

sister think if you killed yourself?

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That's introducing shame, right?

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna: Yeah.

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AnneMoss Rogers: Instead, you want to say

something like a minute ago, you mentioned

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your sister, Bridget, tell me about her.

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What is she, what does she mean to you?

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How does she fit in to all this?

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And you're just asking a question.

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But you don't want to introduce

something or someone they

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have not already mentioned.

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Yes.

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So the thing is about listening.

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Once you listen long

enough, you can start.

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To ask the right questions and lead

it to remind them who's in their life.

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna:

Oh, that's such a good point.

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AnneMoss Rogers: And all this instability,

all this chaos is going to negatively

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affect those who are vulnerable.

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So we want to model also finding

that one stable part of our

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own lives and focusing on that.

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There's a lot of stuff out

there that's happening.

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What can I do to in my

corner of the world to help?

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I'm not helpless.

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Let me identify that.

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And let me also focus on

what I do have that's stable.

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I have a stable family and marriage,

my, and right now, my house is

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stable and where I have to live.

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Now, not everybody can say that, but

right now that's my stability thing.

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If you're unhoused, it may be my stability

thing right now is I have a toothbrush.

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I manage to get one, it may

be just a real little thing.

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But just think of one thing that's

stable, that you're grateful to have,

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that maybe worked for, that just before

would have been something you would

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have completely taken for granted.

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That's such a good point.

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And part of the listening, for me, is you

are validating that person, even if you

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don't have the wherewithal to say much.

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And you don't think you have the right

questions, just validating that other

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human is so incredibly important.

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And I want to add one thing to

that, especially because you're

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absolutely right with all the chaos

and everything that's going on.

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Another friend of ours talked about

saying people's name when you're in a

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restaurant, when you're in the grocery

store, somebody's got a name tag on, just

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take that extra second and use their name.

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I did that.

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I am the first one in a restaurant

to complain if the food is

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bad, or if the service is bad.

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But I'm also the first one to give

applause for good service and good food

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because when you tell them if something

isn't right how else can people fix it

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unless they know something wasn't right?

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You can't fix what you're not aware of.

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It has to be done in a polite way.

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And that's important.

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But it's all those other times.

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That people don't think to

say our server was Mary Ann.

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I just wanted to say how

incredibly attentive she was.

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Or, we were in a restaurant and we had

our grandkids and one of our grandkids

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has some dietary concerns and it's

difficult for him in a number of places.

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And this server was so wonderful

in finding things that she could

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make sure that he got something.

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Cause there's nothing worse when

you're a young kid than having to

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sit and watch everybody else eat.

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And a lot of restaurants don't have it.

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That's me.

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AnneMoss Rogers: I have a lot of

dietary issues, so I'm totally

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getting where you're coming from.

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna: Yeah

and it was quite wonderful.

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And a couple of years ago when we

first got our Chihuahua, the there's

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a lot of Amazon trucks and FedEx

and what have you around here.

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her out on the front porch.

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harness or a collar or anything like

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that and you couldn't get near her.

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So we were trying to give her some kind of

life and the mailman and the FedEx people

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would go by and she'd bark like a fool.

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And this one girl from FedEx spent over

10 minutes sitting on the step with

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this little dog barking in her face.

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Just to try and give her a treat.

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Two weeks later.

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She was back at the neighbor She wasn't

even at our house and she came again and

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spent the time to give my dog a treat.

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Oh Okay, and Kaylee is she's a chihuahua.

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She's a barker She you know, didn't

have a good life before we got her and

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I actually found FedEx And said I don't

know if this meets your standards.

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I just want you to know this lady, and I

think her name was Janet, is an absolute

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gem and has gone out of her way, not

once, but twice to, be kind to our dog.

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I will now make it a point if I'm

sending anything, I'm sending it FedEx.

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So they win, but they wouldn't

know that and they wouldn't

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be able to appreciate Janet.

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if we hadn't said something.

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AnneMoss Rogers: I think

really acts of kindness are a

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way to feel better yourself.

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That's a self care step right there.

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I know I did that, excuse me.

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I just after my son's death I had to do

that to, giving that really helps us heal.

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna: It does.

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It really does.

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My my best friend her name was

Jackie and she died in:

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She had brain cancer.

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In the last two years, just before she

got the cancer, we would go to the gym or

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we'd go swimming or we'd go every couple

of days and we would stop at Tim Hortons.

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And our favorite thing was to pay for

the people behind us and then take off.

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Okay, we didn't even state a smile or

we just We pay for the people behind us.

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And it became such an important

part of our routine that when she

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died, my spiritual advisor sent

me a 100 gift card for Tim Hortons

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so I could carry on the tradition.

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Her name is Patricia Wall.

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That's so nice.

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I carried it on, lots of people do it, but

it's just such a, it is a self care thing.

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And a couple years later, my son

came running into my house, I'd

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ask him to stop and get a coffee.

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It sounds like I go there

a lot, I really don't.

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But I, I said, yeah, stop and grab

me a coffee before you come over.

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And he came in the house, he said,

oh my god, mom, that was so cool.

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Somebody paid for your coffee.

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It was like, oh wow, that's so cool.

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It's gone full circle.

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Yeah, pay it forward.

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Absolutely.

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And the upshot of all that was,

I just wanted to do it more.

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AnneMoss Rogers: Yeah.

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It can be addictive, but in a good way.

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna: Absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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We'll start wrapping up here.

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We've done a lot with the toolbox.

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Are there other things, I know

you said mindfulness, pausing,

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I, I think is so critical.

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Taking those deep breaths.

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My spiritual advisor called

it breathing slow and low.

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And that actually centers you.

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It calms everything in your body.

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Which is a useful little tool to have

in the box, no matter where you are.

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And that, you're right, without

that pause, you're not going

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to get to anything else.

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AnneMoss Rogers: Yeah, and all

the other skills depend on you

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being able to take that pause.

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And I think listen more and lecture less.

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That's so good.

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I just keep it short and simple.

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Listen more and like that.

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Parents can usually

remember that really well.

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Listen more and

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna: lecture less.

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Oh, that is so good.

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And I don't know who said it, the good

Lord gave us two ears and one mouth.

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I cannot thank you enough for taking

time out of your day to give us some

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wonderful tips and things we can put

in this toolbox for life, which is

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really what we're advocating for here.

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It's so important that we

take care of ourselves.

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Because that's the only way that we can

be sure we can take care of other people.

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AnneMoss Rogers: Sure.

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna: And I

thank you from the very bottom of my

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heart for all that you do, AnneMoss.

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I just Oh, thank you Elaine.

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I love you big time.

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Big time.

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AnneMoss Rogers: Yeah.

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna: And

LinkedIn friends are we are.

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And I think it's really important

going forward that we let people

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know as horrid as things can get.

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This too shall pass.

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Well,

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AnneMoss Rogers: and you are now helpless.

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Do what you can in your

corner of the world.

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It's all right to freeze for a

minute, but don't freeze permanently.

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Yeah.

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna:

Yeah, you're not a popsicle.

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I have to put my bent little

humor in there somewhere.

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This has been Navigating Uncertainty, our

series inside Suicide Zen Forgiveness.

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I thank you all for being with us.

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I thank Ann Moss Rogers, our

lovely guest, for everything

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she's brought to the table today.

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And once again, Just give

someone your ear for 10 minutes.

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One person a month, that's all I ask.

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Just listen.

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Ann Moss gave you some really

good tips for questions you can

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ask at the appropriate time.

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And as she said, always

focus on that other person.

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With that said, I'm going to say, make

the very most of your today, every day.

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And we'll see you again next time.

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Bye for now.

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Adding empathy and offering hope to end the silence, stigma, and shame. ~Elaine Lindsay©2021

Come along on the transformative journey of ’Suicide Zen Forgiveness,’ where host Elaine Lindsay, a suicide loss survivor and advocate, invites listeners to break the silence about mental health struggles. Elaine wants to remove the shame felt by all who are touched by suicide loss, ideation and mental health. With over 50 years of personal experience, Elaine offers candid conversations, heartfelt stories, and practical insights aimed at ending the stigma and offering hope. Each episode explores themes of resilience, gratitude, and growth, encouraging listeners to navigate life’s challenges with bravery and compassion. Tune in for a blend of wisdom, authenticity, and unwavering support on a group journey of healing, hope, and understanding.

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