Episode 8

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Published on:

28th Jan 2025

Mental Health Journeys with Rusty Diamond

Breaking Silence: Rusty Diamond Discusses Mental Health, Wrestling, and Resilience

In this episode of Suicide Zen Forgiveness, the host aims to end the silence, stigma, and shame surrounding suicide loss, ideation, and mental health. The guest, Rusty Diamond, shares his personal journey through mental health challenges and his varied career from being a pro wrestler and comedian to becoming a hypnotist. Rusty discusses his experiences with concussions, his transition to hypnotherapy, and offers insights on how sports and various jobs impacted his life. The episode sheds light on mental health awareness and the importance of empathy and resilience.


00:00 Introduction and Mission Statement

01:17 Meet Rusty Diamond

03:40 Rusty's Mental Health Journey

10:07 Discovering Hypnosis

15:14 Comedy and Wrestling

21:57 Driving Adventures and Reflections

29:43 Wrestling Memories

32:13 Concussion Legacy Foundation

32:58 Transition to Comedy

33:29 Sports and Brain Injuries

34:17 Organ Donation Concerns

35:44 Wrestling and Mental Health

37:27 Bull Riding and Personal Stories

39:48 Concussions in Various Sports

42:32 Understanding the Brain

56:35 Hypnosis and Personal Experiences

01:01:11 Conclusion and Farewell



Transcript
Elaine Lindsay:

My mission to end the silence, the stigma, and the shame about

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suicide loss, ideation, and mental health.

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Please, won't you join me?

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Welcome to Suicide Zen Forgiveness,

a podcast that shares powerful

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stories of suicide loss, ideation,

and mental health in order to break

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the silence, stigma, and shame.

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Our mission is to encourage empathy for

those experiencing these challenges.

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Every narrative serves as a beacon of hope

on a touch lives and inspire resilience.

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Won't you join me in this journey as we

share stories to help others to find hope.

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Please note this podcast is

for educational purposes and

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may contain triggering content.

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If you're grieving or experiencing

mental health issues, Please reach

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out to your local suicide hotline or

mental health office for immediate help.

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And now, let's start the show.

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Hi there.

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It's so good to be back.

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I'm really excited today to be talking to

someone that we're gonna have a probably

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a little different discussion today.

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My guest today is Rusty Diamond.

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Rusty, thank you so much

for coming to join me today.

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Rusty Diamond: Thank you.

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Thanks for having me here.

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I'm happy to be here.

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Friday or something like that.

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Elaine Lindsay: It's a wonderful day.

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It's actually, sunny out.

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Finally, we've had a little bit of cooler

weather Let's say we are in fall after

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all so that does happen I was honored to

be on Rusty's show a few months back, and

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we talked about him coming on the show.

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Because, in all honesty, I have to

say, I don't think there's anyone on

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this planet that does not, Even for

one moment, one day, in one year, have

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a struggle with their mental health.

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I don't believe in perfection

when it comes to humankind.

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I believe that each and

every one of us is flawed.

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Some a little more than others.

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Some differently and those flaws

are what make us interesting.

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When you think about models and,

runway models and people who

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are actors and actresses on TV.

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In actual fact, it's not perfection

that gets them the roles.

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It is the asymmetry.

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It is the specific something in their

makeup that stands out and comes

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through in photographs and in video.

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And as well, of course,

personality goes along with that.

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There's so many facets.

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But Even those that we look at and

think, Oh, my God, they're so beautiful.

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They're so perfect.

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As people say, they, too, struggle.

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We all struggle because

we all have a brain.

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We all have a heart, and we all have

to make those things work together.

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And I think that's probably part of what

I want to ask Rusty today, but before,

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as we know, I can talk forever, before

I get off on the tangent, I just am

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going to turn the mic over to Rusty for

a bit so he can give you a little idea

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of what it is that he does and where

he comes from and maybe a little more.

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Rusty, tell your story.

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Rusty Diamond: Who am I?

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Going deep question here.

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I am a human being who also gets to

have fun times with mental health and

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sometimes up, sometimes down, sometimes

whatever, we're still knowing more

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and getting to know more about it.

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Even now, even what I

thought was mental health.

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Where

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I've been with mental health

and anything like that.

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I've gone down some dark roads and

that's I'm a bit of an entertainer or

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have been still am, and, Those getting

done after like an adrenaline dump,

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having an adrenaline dump going from on

top of the world to waking up the next

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morning and your whole body is hurting

and you don't want to go anywhere.

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Your mind is just, it's doesn't

have that same dopamine it had.

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And I have the ADHD and autism.

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So that's a big part of what, I go for.

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And I didn't find out I

was autistic till I was 42.

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Just found that out a few months ago.

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That was an interesting one.

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And yeah, so I don't

know, let's see what else.

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I I was a pro wrestler

and A what's it called?

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A comedian.

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But I use both of those terms loosely.

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I don't know.

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I definitely, I got to do most everything

be every position and wrestling

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besides booking shows because I used

to book shows for comedy and for music.

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And I know that I wouldn't want

to try that with wrestlers.

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So I, Wanted to stay away from that

one and then yeah then so I mean I

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used to be on the road from Thursday

afternoon until monday morning and go

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back to work for a few days driving

a truck And delivering flooring and

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then yeah, I stepped in a hole one

day And so I went from never having a

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day off to sitting on the couch with a

busted knee and no job, no wrestling,

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just to nothing, just went nothing.

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And I wasn't getting better.

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Didn't know what was going to happen.

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Didn't know where I was going to

go, if I was going to get better.

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And this was I was 35, maybe

at that point, 34, 35, and

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I just got super depressed.

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I got just, I didn't know what to do.

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I hadn't sat at home forever.

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I was just always gone.

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And then.

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Being around people all the time

you're being home with my girlfriend

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at the time, all the time.

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And that was different and

difficult for both of us.

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And I got really depressed

and then started going to

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see A therapist and I had it.

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I was so not into therapists.

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I tried someone.

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I was a teenager and someone I was

maybe like early twenties, late teens.

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And I just always had ones I didn't like.

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I just thought it was

always a bullshit thing.

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And so then yeah, I found out that I

needed to go because I was just talking

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to press so I like I'll try it again and

I'm in there in the waiting room the first

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day, and I get a message from my sister

that these two people that I graduated

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with because this woman who I graduated

with, her, she was working with her best

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friend, and So with her mom and as well

as her best friend, and my sister was

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friends with one of the little brothers

of like a sister in law or something.

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And This guy who had been stalking her

came up to the where she worked with

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her mom and her brother came in and

with a big gun, and she came outside

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and he shot her and then shot himself.

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And then, so my sister is telling me this.

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I'm sitting there in the waiting room

that first day and I'm like, okay I

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guess this is a good time to go in.

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And I didn't say anything to my therapist

that day about it, which I probably

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should have, but I eventually did, but.

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I got talking and I really liked her.

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I really was just able to

open up with her and just feel

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like I could be real with her.

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And that was a big change from

anything that I had ever had.

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And she gave me a book because part of the

reason I was going was because I I would.

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Take on a lot of other people's

energy and people I didn't like.

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I am not good at faking

that I like people.

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And so I would be with my girlfriends,

friends, and I didn't like, and I liked

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maybe one or two or three of them.

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Most of them I didn't like.

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And so she was, my girlfriend

was saying you're always like

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so good around your friends.

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But then when we go to hang out with my

friends, you're just, you're a grump.

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And you just do, maybe you have

some social anxiety and something.

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So I'm talking to my therapist

and she's yeah here's how you

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like, don't take on their energy.

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Here's a book.

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They'll teach you how to do it.

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And there was, And I like, I didn't know

what my job was going to be because I

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couldn't do anything physical anymore.

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And so in this book, there

was two different jobs.

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One was a Reiki and one was a hypnotist.

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And so I was thinking I don't believe

in any of that shit, like my hypnotist,

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that could be an interesting thing.

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Being from wrestling, I don't believe 95

percent of what I hear and don't believe

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probably 90 percent of what I see.

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And so I looked up hypnosis training

in Portland and called the first

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one and Talked to the guy for

about 20 minutes on the phone.

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He convinced me to come in there into

his office and talk to him some more.

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And so I went in there a couple of days

later and talked to him about an hour

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and a half, just fascinated with this

because I just thought it was so fake.

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And I was telling him this,

I'm like, I think this is fake.

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And obviously he, Convinced me and is

very good at hypnosis and got me to sign

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up for the training to be a hypnotist.

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And I signed up that day.

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And yeah, put my credit

card down, paid that money.

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And I knew I was going to

be, I had to pay it off.

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It was like 1, 800 and I

just bought a car recently.

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My first car in eight years.

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And it was like 1, 700.

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So I had a little bit of money, but

I needed to pay it off as I was going

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along through the class and yeah,

I put it on my credit card and got

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in and I signed up and I loved it.

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I was the first time I got hypnotized.

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I fell in love and everything we

did in that class was, there was

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very little book work, very little.

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It was all just training each other.

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And it was.

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And I was 100 percent sober at

that time and I would leave the

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place with this look and feeling

of just, ah, this feels so good.

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And come home, kept

saying, hypnosis is great.

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I wouldn't shut up about it,

wouldn't shut up about it.

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And eventually that became the name of.

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Of my practice and it was, it's been nice.

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And I've been able to get out.

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I still loosely affiliated with both

of those other things, but not really.

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And I've gotten I don't like

staying out late at night.

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And so both those things are night things.

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So I don't tend to do them often.

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And.

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This, I started doing it and yeah, it's

before zoom was really a big thing.

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You were talking about zoom and like in

:

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was, maybe we talked about this on my

podcast who didn't like leaving his house.

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Yeah.

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Yeah,

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Elaine Lindsay: yeah.

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Rusty Diamond: Yeah.

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And just started doing that.

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And the fact that I was in so

much fucking pain physically,

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and I didn't have to go anywhere.

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I could be sitting in my bed with heating

pads or ice packs, barely moving, but

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still being able to work with people.

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And I just I went in so

many different directions.

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There's the, you can go and do the

smoking and weight loss and probably

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do that for your whole life and

plenty of people to do it, but I

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don't like doing either one of those.

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There's just so many different ways.

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I, Wanted to go and have gotten to

go i've gotten to do crazy shit with

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it just on real things and i'm still

looking for more i'm finding ways to

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add more and more to what I do and

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It's I could do the Stage hypnosis, but I just I don't really want to i've

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the they're performing background,

but I just, I don't want to do it.

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I love being able to do the clinical

part and helping people when I'm working,

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it's not every day I'm working, but

when I'm working, I'm doing that and I'm

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helping people and I know I can change

someone in an hour and a half for what.

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might take years and years and

maybe get there, but I can change

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someone's life an hour and a half.

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And I love that.

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I love that I can do that.

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And I hope that, it's always

good to, to better yourself.

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And I wasn't always the best at that.

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And that's something I hope or

work on myself or know more things

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about myself that I should know.

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So that's sort of me.

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And I.

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I think I covered some things on there.

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I don't remember if I got all those

questions, but I think that's the

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short story of what it is that I do.

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Elaine Lindsay: That, that was

beautiful because yes you touched

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on all the things we can dive into.

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Because right from the very first time

I heard about you in some podcast group,

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I was fascinated first by something I

read because you were into wrestling.

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You and my son are the same age.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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My son has been into wrestling.

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forever.

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He just watches.

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But that's his, Wrestlemania

is around his birthday.

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Oh.

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So that is a massive thing

for him and all his friends.

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Sure.

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Always been.

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And never so happy as his youngest

is very much into wrestling as well.

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Yeah.

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Both boys actually like wrestling,

but it's wonderful that the

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little one is totally into it

and, enjoys the whole concept.

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Our family, somewhat like you the

comedic piece is woven through

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our whole family, always has been.

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And like you, I've done comedy

in clubs, like you, I've decided.

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I don't want to go to work at 10

or 11 o'clock at night anymore.

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I just, I can't.

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And I'm 69 years old now.

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I think, yeah, I should make that past

my bedtime for during the week at least.

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Rusty Diamond: Yeah.

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Even on the weekend, it's hard.

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We were up there were a couple comedy

shows that we went to recently, and

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they were both around maybe close

to an hour drive, somewhere around

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there, back home afterwards and If I

go to one of those, it's going to be a

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while that I need to have some time to

get back in the swing of things, but

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somehow ended up with two Fridays in a

row of shows that we wanted to go to.

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And it's shit, like we should not

do this for every reason of having,

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needing time to get back onto it.

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But these are two that we would

want to see for a long time.

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And Yeah, it just, I'm like, I can't do

this like this even hard on the weekends.

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And it's we gotta stay somewhere.

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We ended up staying somewhere on the

second one for the night, but yeah,

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trying to drive home that first night.

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11 o'clock was difficult.

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I'm like, okay, I'm usually in bed

at, I go to bed seven, seven 30

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usually, and wake up around like

four, if I could do comedy at nine

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or 10 o'clock in the morning, maybe

noon somewhere, I'd be all about it.

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I'd be all about, but there's

not too many people, but maybe

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there is, maybe it's a different

crowd that needs to get in on it.

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Elaine Lindsay: Maybe.

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Yeah.

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I was going to say, maybe you

should start doing lunch hour.

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Laughs.

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Rusty Diamond: I would.

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Elaine Lindsay: Lunch hour laughs.

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Rusty Diamond: You should too.

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Elaine Lindsay: Let's, we should do

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that.

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Rusty Diamond: Yeah, because who I do too.

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I would like to do comedy and I

would like to do it during that time.

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Whoever's around, it might be

people who don't get to go to

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comedy because it's too late.

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You can go here at noon.

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And yeah, I think that would

be a I think that's wonderful.

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I think I'm going to have to

talk to some other comedians.

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I know like you, I just went

to a comedy show because.

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This is a dear friend who's

from Ottawa, lives in L.

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A.

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Her name is Lisa-Gay Tremblay.

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She has been doing comedy for 40 years.

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She is very good.

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And she came back to Ottawa.

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40th anniversary, and she was

recording her new album, so that

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was all done while we were there.

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Of course, we had to go, but

like you, it's about 45 minutes

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there to go and 45 to come back.

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So I got home, I think, closer to 12 30.

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Oh, and then It's a few days to

recoup because it's oh my god,

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that's, that makes for a long day

because yeah, I'm usually up a bit.

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I don't get up till 6:30 or 7:00.

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Unless you're pretty specific

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time.

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Elaine Lindsay: Yeah.

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638 or

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Rusty Diamond: 634 or something.

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637.

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Elaine Lindsay: 630 or 7.

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In between.

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Rusty Diamond: Yeah.

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Elaine Lindsay: Because chihuahuas.

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That's all.

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Rusty Diamond: Yeah.

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Understandable.

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Elaine Lindsay: Like we like

to watch the late night show.

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So it's not like I go to sleep,

but yeah, downtime starts by

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11 at the latest for sure.

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Whoa.

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Without the driving and it's the

driving and all of that's involved.

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And I had, there is nothing

like an onstage high.

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There really is nothing.

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Yeah.

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But it is, yeah, we really have

to look into this lunch thing,

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but let's put that on a banner

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Rusty Diamond: somewhere.

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I agree, I think that would be a lot

of fun, and yeah, maybe somewhere Yeah!

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Yeah I was thinking about this a

little bit, I've been, Oh, cool!

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I've been throwing it around yeah,

even if somewhere out in one of

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these, Amish community towns would

be a fun one to get it out there.

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And yeah, just something

or, something close enough.

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I'm trying to get rid of

my car and share a car.

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Just go to sharing a car.

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I really do not like driving.

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I wish if I could have one of

those cars that everyone says the

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robotic ones where it'll take you

wherever I would be all for it.

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It might kill me one of those

times, you can drive in,

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Elaine Lindsay: it's worth it.

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Yeah.

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I,

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Rusty Diamond: yeah, I would love to.

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And I think a lot of, yeah.

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Traffic and stuff could be automated.

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I think that would help out too.

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And then you wouldn't have to, I

don't know, but it's hard saying that

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there's definitely some of me that

still would want to, but I've just

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had, So much time driving and at night

with with the lights, the cars have

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now it's a whole different thing.

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It was very difficult and I somehow

on that drive back from that first

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comedy show, there was hardly

anyone behind me the whole way.

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I don't know how that happened,

but yeah, anytime I'm driving at

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night or early in the morning and I

got, have some of those high, like

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really Bright led headlights on me.

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I just It throws me off.

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And so I just

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Elaine Lindsay: makes it hard.

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It really makes it hard to see I

find the leds And if it's god forbid

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raining it just makes it horrific for

driving and yeah like you I wasn't

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a trucker But actually that's not

true funny enough for a year when

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my daughter who's now 51 was little.

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I didn't want to work in an office.

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I just didn't want to do that.

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So I went to some people I went to

school with the Donnelly's Dan Donnelly,

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their dad had this Ford dealership.

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And I went to him and said, Look, I would

like to drive your auto parts truck.

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And he said that seems odd.

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It's you went to Notre Dame.

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I knew them because I knew his sons.

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And I said, I have a really

good sense of direction.

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I know the city like the back of my hand.

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And I just think it would

be an interesting job.

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And that way, when I'm finished, I can

just go home and be with my daughter.

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And not, there's not like a whole

bunch of other stuff going on.

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And I ended up being the best driver

they had because I did know the city.

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I have an eidetic memory.

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So this kind of cheating kind of thing.

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Because I remember all the

shortcuts, I know, whatever.

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And I only have to go somewhere once

to remember how to get back there.

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Wow.

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Which is cool.

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Rusty Diamond: Yeah.

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Elaine Lindsay: Got me

out of trouble once.

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How I accidentally left my

wallet in a hotel in Montreal.

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I wasn't supposed to be in Montreal.

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Rusty Diamond: Okay.

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Elaine Lindsay: And I certainly wasn't

supposed to be in Montreal that evening.

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I hopped in our car.

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I had been to Montreal with a

girlfriend for three days before that.

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And we were supposed to be somewhere

else, but that's a whole other story.

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I drove.

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It's only an hour and a half, two hours

from Ottawa, but this was on the far

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side of Montreal from Ottawa, near

then what was being built at Olympic

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Stadium was being built for something.

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Yeah, 72, 70.

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Yeah.

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I think it was 76, maybe 72, 76.

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And I had never really been in Montreal,

except downtown, and we went by train,

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but we had driven there, the train

took us there those three days before,

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and I figured, okay, it's the Olympic

Stadium, I know what direction it's

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in, and there are signs on the highway.

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I only took one wrong exit.

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I got myself to the hotel and coming

back, I literally got my wallet, got

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in the car, got back on the highway to

go home and hit a horrific thunderstorm

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and it was like it was devastating.

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Terrifying and got myself behind this

giant truck and just stayed there

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because it was pelting down rain so

hard you couldn't see it was just

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awful and I didn't have a choice.

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I had to get home because I was

not supposed to be in Montreal,

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much less anywhere else.

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And I did manage to get home by 1030.

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And at the time my husband wondered where

the hell I'd been till 10 30 that night.

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And that was in 1975.

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So different husband, sorry.

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But yeah, but got home, made it

back, got my wallet and I was so

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excited, so thrilled with myself

that I had driven right there.

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Only one wrong turn, but

I couldn't tell anybody.

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Rusty Diamond: Yeah, you got that.

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The one.

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Yeah.

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The one wrong turn

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Elaine Lindsay: because, I couldn't say

anything about how great my driving was

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'cause then I wasn't gonna get in trouble.

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Oh yeah.

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A week?

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Yeah.

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Oh okay.

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That part he had to put, yeah, he

had to put more gas in the car and

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I remember him saying, I know what

the hell's wrong with the car.

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It's, we were going through

an awful lot of gas.

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Rusty Diamond: Oh, weird.

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Elaine Lindsay: Yeah.

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Rusty Diamond: Weird.

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I don't know.

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Dunno why . Yeah.

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And you're speaking more French.

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Elaine Lindsay: Yeah.

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Yeah, so totally get the

driving thing for you.

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And after a while.

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Yeah, it's just not as fun anymore, we

had children that were involved in a lot

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of different things, but our youngest

was he did voiceovers for cartoons and

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he did commercials and he did modeling

and while they both did, we were

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forever driving to Toronto or Montreal.

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And also we had a children's wear store.

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So again, driving to Montreal and Toronto

for shows or for buying supplies and, and

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new clothes and all this kind of stuff.

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So there comes a point I think,

where you just, that's enough.

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You just don't want to drive anymore.

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Rusty Diamond: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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And.

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Yeah, it's not worth it.

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I feel like, I think there may

have been I've lost a couple of

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lives and I don't know if I maybe

switched timelines two times.

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I feel like one time I was driving back

from a wrestling show about three hours.

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East of, it was like basically, yeah,

three hours east of Boring, Oregon,

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where I lived at that time near Portland.

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Boring?

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Yeah, Boring was the name of the town.

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It was it was Damascus but then the

city council decided that there had

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been too much corruption, so they

completely dissolved the city and we

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just got incorporated it into Boring.

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And it's sister city is

Dole, Scotland, I believe.

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Oh,

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Elaine Lindsay: okay.

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Yeah.

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My homeland.

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Rusty Diamond: Yeah.

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And yeah, that's you're over there.

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Yeah.

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Oh my God.

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I had one, I was driving back.

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The whole drive is along the

Columbia river Gorge, which

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separates Oregon and Washington.

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And I think I was going

maybe 80 or 90 on that road.

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And I woke up.

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And the cop was pulling me over and I

was like for speeding and I was like,

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oh shit I'm, so happy the cop pulled me

over and yes, I think that night maybe

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I did and then I was driving in iowa and

I fell asleep Maybe middle of the day

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and woke up driving through a cornfield

and nothing was wrong with my car.

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I just ended up in a

cornfield driving through it.

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And I was like, yeah, I think

maybe twice something happened.

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And things did get different after both

of those times, but it could have been

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some other stuff too, but I don't know

if it was It was an interesting time.

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And so and I did so many

late night drives back during

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wrestling and driving all night.

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And it's just, I feel like I've used

up all my what ifs or, it was close.

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Elaine Lindsay: Yeah.

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I think both of us have.

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Yeah.

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But

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Rusty Diamond: after all that,

all those drives Yeah it's a lot.

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Yeah.

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Elaine Lindsay: Let's just

touch on wrestling for a bit,

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because it really fascinates me.

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Oof.

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Rusty Diamond: Okay.

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Yeah.

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Elaine Lindsay: When I was

a kid, Andre the Giant.

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Rusty Diamond: Sure.

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Elaine Lindsay: And it's terrible.

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I can see the faces of a couple

of others, but it sounds bizarre,

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but I worked at a an asylum.

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Okay.

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It's called Greenville

Regional Hospital School.

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And I knew that Andre the Giant had

acromegaly, which is an issue with growth,

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the growth hormone, and you overdevelop

features and bones and what have you.

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And Something about him really

fascinated me because he was

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a really nice human being.

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You can read all kinds of stories about

that man, but he was just amazing.

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And my dad watched a little

bit of wrestling on Saturdays

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because my mother worked.

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And there weren't that

many channels back then.

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Canada, we didn't have a lot.

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But I grew up in Toronto, so dad

would watch a little bit of that.

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And he used to fascinate me the

whole concept fascinated me.

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I don't know.

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Maybe you can speak to the fact

that boxing makes me ill to my

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stomach, but wrestling, there's a,

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I don't know, a certain tongue in

cheek, maybe it doesn't seem as violent

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or as intentionally violent,

maybe that's what I mean.

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:

Yeah.

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There's.

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Rusty Diamond: Definitely some and both.

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But yeah, yeah, it's I don't know.

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Yeah.

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Cause there's a lot different

there's not people getting, I think

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people are getting knocked down, but

they're not getting knocked down.

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Yeah.

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Not as much in a different way.

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That's a whole different thing.

529

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I've been going, there's a, so

there's a guy, Chris Nowinski,

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who He used to wrestle back, maybe

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almost 20 years ago for a short while.

532

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And he ended up getting a bad

concussion and had to retire early.

533

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And, but he went to Harvard and

that was part of his gimmick too.

534

:

And he got he started a thing.

535

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It was called, I don't know

what it was called now.

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Now I believe it's called the

concussion legacy foundation.

537

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And.

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Learned a lot with that and there's been

and that was one thing that got me even

539

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Scared when right after I because that

came out probably It was not long after

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I started training and I had a couple

friends who were Close to my age who

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were wrestling and they both had they

both got really bad concussions and had

542

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to retire Oh, wow And yeah, and so I

was like, I'm going to try to step back

543

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from doing a lot of physical stuff.

544

:

And that's when I got into comedy

because I still wanted to be able

545

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to be useful for wrestling shows

cause I loved the wrestling.

546

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And but I wanted to steer clear

of more of the physical stuff.

547

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So I got into comedy and I was

the weird wrestler doing comedy.

548

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And But yeah, I don't know.

549

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So then, but eventually I ended

up getting in the ring and then

550

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doing stuff, but the concussions

and brain damage, there's some.

551

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And it doesn't take much.

552

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And there's a whole bunch of stuff.

553

:

I played a lot of sports as a kid.

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I played lacrosse.

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I played soccer and they don't let you

hit the ball with your head anymore.

556

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That's something they don't let you do.

557

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And playing lacrosse, I would get, I'd get

knocked down a whole bunch on that one.

558

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And And yeah, and just

other stuff fooling around.

559

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The brain damage has

definitely been something.

560

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And when I was a baby, I fell

off a second story deck and

561

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landed on my head on concrete.

562

:

And there's that too.

563

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Yeah.

564

:

There's been a few things here and there.

565

:

So like the brain stuff.

566

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Yeah.

567

:

If I, so not, if I die one day.

568

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But when I die, though, my, my

brain's going to be studied.

569

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I have a thing in my wallet that they

can have my brain, the rest of my body.

570

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I'm, I've gone back and forth about the

organ donation because I feel like, and

571

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this is another thing that I'm a little,

you might not win the most like likable

572

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person thing for this, but I don't know.

573

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I feel like sometimes with the I've

read some pretty bad stuff with

574

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the Oregon being an Oregon donor

and kind of what happens with that.

575

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And so I've been I was.

576

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Very much like I like sure you can do

whatever you want my body when i'm dead,

577

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but now it's just My brain the rest of it.

578

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Like i'm not I took it off it

and I just I don't know It seems

579

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like it's one of those things.

580

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It's a good Reason for having it

and I think it's a great thing But

581

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I think the wrong people are into it

like Maybe an Elon Musk and robotics.

582

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Very good thing, but I think it's the

wrong person that's in charge of it.

583

:

Planned Parenthood, I

think it's another thing.

584

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And that's it's not a good

thing, like it's there.

585

:

It was put there for

pretty nefarious reasons.

586

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And but I want there to be services

for that kind of stuff, but it

587

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should not be Planned Parenthood.

588

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That should be doing it there.

589

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It's bad.

590

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It's real bad.

591

:

And I don't know, but like to go back

to wrestling, go from Planned Parenthood

592

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to wrestling, it's, there's definitely,

there's been a number of wrestlers and

593

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now rugby players football players,

there was a football player, Junior

594

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Seau, and he, cause a lot of them

get, pretty depressed and suicidal.

595

:

There's a lot of suicide with it.

596

:

He shot himself in the heart, so his brain

would be preserved so they could study it.

597

:

And yeah, there's been and then there

was a wrestler who they probably,

598

:

killed his family and killed himself.

599

:

And there was a big thing with that.

600

:

And then they took his brain and saw,

how, Bad that was and he had you know,

601

:

like the brain of an 80 year old with

alzheimer's and it is There's a lot and

602

:

I mean that just I mean that scares me a

lot and Like i'm trying to like, I want

603

:

people to I don't know, cause I, I don't

want someone to have to like, cause I

604

:

don't, yeah, like what it's just, I'm

trying to preserve as much of it as I can.

605

:

That's still left before it gets

to a point where, there's not much

606

:

regeneration right now that is available.

607

:

There's some regeneration, but

a lot of it once it's done.

608

:

And I don't know.

609

:

It's, I've seen some people that.

610

:

They get head injuries and they

become completely different people.

611

:

Elaine Lindsay: Yo, absolutely.

612

:

Absolutely.

613

:

And yeah support it.

614

:

And I know most people who know

me are going to find this bizarre,

615

:

but I'm very much into bull riding.

616

:

Okay.

617

:

My husband and I yeah, you do it or you

618

:

Rusty Diamond: watch

619

:

Elaine Lindsay: it.

620

:

I know I watch it.

621

:

Okay.

622

:

All right.

623

:

I did try bronc riding many years ago.

624

:

And that was painful.

625

:

I bet.

626

:

Yeah.

627

:

I think I was 16 when we went out and I

realized that, I really don't like pain.

628

:

I am a big chicken.

629

:

So yeah, not for me, not the right one.

630

:

Better to watch.

631

:

Yeah.

632

:

And I had seen a bull riding competition.

633

:

In my teens, because I rode horses

and for summers my friends and I

634

:

pretty much rode five times a week.

635

:

Like we were always out there.

636

:

And I was riding a horse when I

was seven months pregnant and my

637

:

horse was pregnant and we were

racing with about 20 other people.

638

:

And one of the new horses at

the stable came up and kicked

639

:

my horse and caught my stirrup.

640

:

So it sent me flying, but he

caught Pawnee in the stomach and

641

:

she ended up losing her colt.

642

:

And I hit the ground.

643

:

I was already worried about my horse,

so I don't even remember hitting the

644

:

ground and my friend said, I bounced up.

645

:

It was like I hadn't even hit the ground.

646

:

I bounced up so fast and turned

around and ran to my horse.

647

:

Everybody's Elaine.

648

:

It's Up until that point, none of

us thought of the fact that I was

649

:

pregnant because the doctor had said

just keep doing what you're doing.

650

:

He later said that he had no idea

what I was doing was riding and racing

651

:

horses, that's a whole other story.

652

:

Anyway I was fine.

653

:

My daughter is fine.

654

:

My horse wasn't fine and they ended up

getting rid of the horse that did that,

655

:

but all kinds of sports like you don't

realize how much danger there can be.

656

:

In just, in, in one second,

everything can change and, hockey

657

:

is a big place for concussions.

658

:

Rusty Diamond: Yep.

659

:

Elaine Lindsay: There's, hockey and

football and, football in Britain,

660

:

what we called headering the ball was.

661

:

Yep.

662

:

Yep.

663

:

Yep.

664

:

They use their heads for a lot of stuff.

665

:

Not just on the football

field, but like fighting.

666

:

That was a move.

667

:

I can remember teenage boys

in Scotland having fights with

668

:

other gangs and oh my God.

669

:

You could hear the skulls crack when they

were hitting each other with their heads.

670

:

We seem to.

671

:

As we progress and as we know more

we learn more of the things that are

672

:

important and that we shouldn't do.

673

:

But even when someone has a concussion

that you don't really know a lot

674

:

about, it can change their personality.

675

:

And back to the bull riding,

there was a young up and coming

676

:

rider, he was really good.

677

:

His name was Ty Posibon.

678

:

And he's Canadian he rode in the PBR, he

rode in Canada he'd been at the Calgary

679

:

Stampede, his sister was a barrel racer,

and they're wonderful people, and he

680

:

took his own life after a number of

concussions, and it's just, it still

681

:

breaks my heart that this young man,

who was full of promise, felt so alone.

682

:

It's another one of the

reasons I do this show.

683

:

Rusty Diamond: Yeah.

684

:

And there's not a lot of talking.

685

:

A lot of people don't want to come out

and say, Oh yeah, I've had a whole shit

686

:

ton of concussions and it's fucked me up.

687

:

Yeah.

688

:

Let me tell you.

689

:

Yeah.

690

:

A lot of people want to say it.

691

:

I'll say it.

692

:

I'll say it.

693

:

Yeah,

694

:

Elaine Lindsay: Fuck up

number two, right here.

695

:

Yeah.

696

:

Okay.

697

:

Yes, over the years I have had concussions

that, like I said, I rode horses, I tried

698

:

bronc riding, I was a figure skater,

I skied, I had multiple encounters

699

:

with vehicles that were not good.

700

:

So yeah, concussions have

been a part of my life too.

701

:

And there's an awful lot of people

that had a concussion and didn't even

702

:

think about it because it's only the

past few years that they're starting

703

:

to study these things and realize

just how detrimental that can be.

704

:

But again, it comes back to what

you and I were talking about

705

:

before we even came on air.

706

:

And that's the fact that no one

tells you how to drive your brain.

707

:

A little nod to Rex Sykes.

708

:

He's the first one that, that

I talked about this with, is

709

:

that we don't get a manual.

710

:

We.

711

:

And more than a manual, we

don't teach it in school.

712

:

You have the most powerful computer

known to man inside your head.

713

:

We bitterly use a fraction of it,

and yet nobody thinks to tell people.

714

:

Hair, if you need to be careful with

this piece of equipment, because, it

715

:

runs everything you do and, we come out

and the more we learn, the more we're

716

:

understanding that a lot of what we

thought was true isn't, the vagus nerve.

717

:

Now people are talking

about the vagus nerve.

718

:

It's an awful lot more important

because it's attached to the brain.

719

:

It's its own brain for our

digestive system and more.

720

:

And we're only starting to learn that too.

721

:

Rusty Diamond: And that's something that

722

:

you can look back and be like, Oh

yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

723

:

And okay I, now is, I hope

that the conversations get out.

724

:

And if it's not, maybe it's by

chance, someone gets to hear people

725

:

talking about it and find out, cause

yeah, you have to seem to be doing

726

:

your own research to be able to

find out about either one of these.

727

:

And it's unfortunate.

728

:

And it's keeping on.

729

:

Keep it on and just being able to

without being able to, I don't want to

730

:

say reset your Vegas nerve, but be able

to slightly alter it in a positive way.

731

:

And

732

:

Elaine Lindsay: people do call it that.

733

:

Rusty, they do say

resetting the vagus nerve.

734

:

It in, in my case specifically, a

doctor mistakenly cut my vagus nerve.

735

:

Whoa.

736

:

And that in all the butchered surgery

was part of the problem because of

737

:

course he didn't wanna acknowledge that

or any of the other damage he had done.

738

:

But even then, okay, 1983.

739

:

They didn't know enough about the

vagus nerve to understand what the

740

:

long term ramifications might be.

741

:

Or would there be any?

742

:

And as you well know, I'm

out of work at the moment.

743

:

I'm recovering after yet another

surgery and we are talking,

744

:

1983 to now is a hot minute.

745

:

Yeah, six, seven years.

746

:

Yeah, just a few.

747

:

Yeah, decades.

748

:

Yeah.

749

:

But it is all part of, I think,

as adults in this day and age,

750

:

we need to do more research.

751

:

Okay, and I'm the first one

to say thanks for Google.

752

:

Thank you, Google.

753

:

Because you can go deeper.

754

:

Down these rabbit holes

and find out information.

755

:

I am not saying Believe everything

you read or see or hear that is not at

756

:

all what I'm saying Because everything

you have to take with a grain of salt

757

:

Okay, it doesn't matter who they are.

758

:

It doesn't matter how truthful

I try to be or you try to be.

759

:

We bring to the table

from our perspective.

760

:

Rusty Diamond: Yeah, and it's

761

:

Elaine Lindsay: always tainted with

our perspective, whatever that may be.

762

:

I'm not saying things are wrong.

763

:

I'm saying it may have a slightly

different slant than someone else and

764

:

that's what we have to look at, but

the commonalities that we see when

765

:

you talk about wrestling, when you

talk about rugby, and we talk about

766

:

football and hockey and boxing, God

help us, that was the first sport where

767

:

people could see and understand that

concussion and brain injuries were

768

:

part of the territory, if you will.

769

:

Punch drunk.

770

:

Yeah.

771

:

Yeah.

772

:

I it only makes sense if you're

gonna sit there and hammer my knee

773

:

For ten rounds three times a year.

774

:

I am going to have an issue with

that knee Guarantee that so if you're

775

:

going to pummel my face the same

the brain And injuries in the brain

776

:

are caused by that, the shuffling

of the brain inside the skull.

777

:

And there's not a whole hell of a

lot of room for it to move in there.

778

:

And so that inflammation

and that, those issues.

779

:

I think they get multiplied every time

you land another punch, if you will.

780

:

Rusty Diamond: Yeah.

781

:

And they used to have the term

getting your bell rung or seeing

782

:

spots or anything, seeing stars.

783

:

Those are all concussions.

784

:

And and the closer.

785

:

Of a time frame that you get them to if

you get that's how People end up dying.

786

:

There's if you have like within

a week or two it happens, in I

787

:

see it in Sports high school.

788

:

Yeah a thing where that happens.

789

:

And that's something that's only now

starting to be looked at as well.

790

:

Elaine Lindsay: Yeah.

791

:

And only now are you seeing people in

wrestling and football and hockey and

792

:

what have you considering stepping

out in order to save their health?

793

:

Because it used to be, no,

I'm playing at all costs.

794

:

This is my ticket to whatever,

which is horrific, but.

795

:

Yet I can understand, somebody comes from

nothing and wants to bring their family

796

:

with them and make it right for everybody.

797

:

Those are the stories that you hear.

798

:

Those are the ones that you see.

799

:

But all of this and not, In the

languaging necessarily that we're

800

:

using, but understanding the bad things

that can happen in the fun things

801

:

that we do and being more mindful.

802

:

Of how you do things.

803

:

I need, we have to start with children.

804

:

We have to teach them

to be more self aware.

805

:

And I think that comes back

to you saying exercise.

806

:

When you start with children

early, exercising, you are

807

:

increasing their, Core stability.

808

:

You are.

809

:

You're teaching them how to,

teach them how to fall properly.

810

:

Teach them how to, guard

themselves when they're running.

811

:

Teach them how to, handle falling

to the ground or perhaps hitting

812

:

their head and being able to go tell

an adult that, that this happened.

813

:

How many times does it happen?

814

:

And kids just don't tell

815

:

Rusty Diamond: Yeah.

816

:

That's a great point, man.

817

:

How many kids fall and break their arm or,

skating around either skating or playing

818

:

hockey or whatever, and slipping or skiing

and just I have a buddy and I remember

819

:

him going off this huge jump and then he

immediately knew he was just gonna eat it.

820

:

But I just saw him just go

completely limp and just like land.

821

:

Totally fine.

822

:

And my hypnosis teacher told me that when

you get in a car crash or he got in a

823

:

car crash and he said he just loosened

up, let the, like barely held the wheel

824

:

and just said, let's go, let's have fun.

825

:

And just, woo, spun

around and it was fine.

826

:

And that's why, drunk

people and they get caught.

827

:

Yeah, exactly.

828

:

Exactly.

829

:

Elaine Lindsay: Yeah.

830

:

Rusty Diamond: It's.

831

:

Yeah.

832

:

It's when you hands up.

833

:

Yeah.

834

:

Yeah.

835

:

Teaching people to, to fall

would be a great idea or Yeah.

836

:

How to yeah.

837

:

How important core strength

and core strength is and yeah.

838

:

Elaine Lindsay: We give driving lessons.

839

:

Rusty Diamond: Yeah.

840

:

Elaine Lindsay: Okay.

841

:

You can't get an, you're supposed

to get an animal and get a license.

842

:

Okay.

843

:

There's, there are handbooks for

cats, dogs, birds, fish, you name it.

844

:

There aren't for children.

845

:

No,

846

:

Rusty Diamond: there should be.

847

:

Yeah.

848

:

I'm out.

849

:

Here we are.

850

:

Nothing to add to our list.

851

:

Elaine Lindsay: Oh yeah.

852

:

And the fact is, okay,

you're a curious person.

853

:

I'm a curious person.

854

:

For us, learning about

stuff is, it's intrinsic.

855

:

It's like breathing.

856

:

It's like

857

:

Rusty Diamond: Yeah,

858

:

Elaine Lindsay: what we care about.

859

:

Yeah I need to, it's in my, oh,

anything about me, it says I

860

:

want to increase my awareness or

knowledge 1 percent every day.

861

:

I do, because I'm just that curious.

862

:

Me too, yeah.

863

:

And there's so much to learn.

864

:

Rusty Diamond: Yeah, it's

easy now to learn anything.

865

:

Oh my god yeah.

866

:

Yeah, and, yeah.

867

:

Going back to AI and chat GPT or

whatever you're using, being able to

868

:

take ideas you have and being able to

have something with it that can make

869

:

that idea a whole lot better that

you would never be able to think of.

870

:

And then, rather than being on step

two, you're already like at the top of

871

:

step three and you're ready to go to

that next step, whereas you might not

872

:

ever get past step two in your life.

873

:

But now in this short little bit, if you

know how to do it and you're as for good

874

:

you can go and just You can go right

forward and you can learn a lot of stuff.

875

:

You can make a lot of

things way, way better.

876

:

I'm always wanting to know how to

make things more efficient too.

877

:

Like efficiency.

878

:

Elaine Lindsay: And what I like about chat

GPT or Gemini or cloud or any of them.

879

:

Yeah.

880

:

Okay.

881

:

Is the fact that you can give your ideas.

882

:

And if you're only on step two

or wherever, but you can ask for.

883

:

I'm going to give you a couple of

citations that will give you, are

884

:

there white papers written on this?

885

:

Has someone looked at this before?

886

:

Give me some really good quotes that

relate to my full blown concept and

887

:

the last thing I like to do after

I've written something is what

888

:

am I missing within this concept?

889

:

What is it that I'm missing?

890

:

Rusty Diamond: It's a good

question to throw at the end.

891

:

Elaine Lindsay: Yeah.

892

:

You can get some really

fascinating answers.

893

:

Rusty Diamond: I heard one the other

day that was there was two of them.

894

:

There was one what can you tell me?

895

:

About myself that I don't know about

myself that you've gathered from

896

:

what we've you know talked about and

then the other was if I was going to

897

:

pivot, into a New job or new position.

898

:

What would that be that

I would never think of?

899

:

What?

900

:

Yeah, based on you know what

we've talked about and it's You

901

:

It was cool getting those answers.

902

:

It was cause I don't know.

903

:

And I feel it's the same

thing with with that.

904

:

Like you can get very

introspective into it.

905

:

And and when I talk about Doctors or I

would rather go to an acupuncturist and

906

:

tell the acupuncturist what's going on

as opposed to any doctor, because they're

907

:

there treating the root of the problem.

908

:

And the more I tell it, the more

they know what to do and what can

909

:

be done and putting that to chat.

910

:

GPT act as my, my, acupuncturist,

Chinese herbalist all that

911

:

Eastern, but with, whatever.

912

:

And here's what's going on.

913

:

Tell me what else you need to know

that will give you a better idea of

914

:

what you need to know to better help

me out, something of that nature.

915

:

And just being able to do that

is, that's really fun for me.

916

:

I enjoy the hell out

of it and, getting to,

917

:

Elaine Lindsay: well, having a better

understanding of how you work now.

918

:

I'm just going to put a caveat there.

919

:

Sure.

920

:

Okay.

921

:

Rusty and I are not saying to use CHAT

GPT to supplant the medical system or

922

:

your health advisor or your therapist

or your activist or anyone else.

923

:

This is as an adjunct to What you can

learn so when you do go for treatment or

924

:

that you do go for treatment Yeah, based

on this new information that you have.

925

:

Yeah, it's not about Trying

to do it all yourself.

926

:

That's definitely not what we're saying

because acupuncturists and Reiki masters

927

:

and hypnotherapists All have their

place and they are super important

928

:

and I could keep you forever, but I'm

going to wind this visit down for now.

929

:

I would love to have you back.

930

:

Rusty Diamond: Sure.

931

:

Anytime I'll

932

:

Elaine Lindsay: say that

right off the bat, but.

933

:

When you talked about smoking and weight

loss for hypnosis, back in:

934

:

called and said, look we get a discount

if we take six people, we're going to go

935

:

to this stop smoking hypnotist tonight.

936

:

Okay.

937

:

And we'll save money if we get six people.

938

:

And I wasn't.

939

:

ready to quit smoking, hadn't

really thought about it.

940

:

Cigarettes were still relatively cheap

at that time, but I said, okay, whatever.

941

:

It was like 47.

942

:

I said, yeah, okay, I'll go.

943

:

And she said, okay Carl's

just going to call your hubby.

944

:

That should be an interesting call.

945

:

And I just heard, fuck you from

the office behind me and knew that

946

:

Carl had called and my husband was

not going to be one of the six.

947

:

He enjoyed his smoking and he was

not at all interested in quitting.

948

:

So I went and there were five of us and

we still ended up with the discount.

949

:

And the hypnotherapist,

it really surprised me.

950

:

Because I thought what I thought was

five minutes was 30 minutes and he sent

951

:

us home and this is how long ago with

cassette tape and the idea was you were to

952

:

listen to that cassette tape every morning

for a week and my family made fun of me

953

:

every morning for a week as I listened

to what they said sounded like whales.

954

:

But I went home and my husband was at the

neighbor's a couple of doors down I walked

955

:

into the neighbors and I put my pack of

DeMaurier silver ladies package And I

956

:

said here you go Barb, I'm a permanent

non smoker You can have my cigarettes

957

:

and they all laughed because at that

point I smoked almost three packs a day

958

:

Rusty Diamond: Wow.

959

:

Yeah, which was not

960

:

Elaine Lindsay: good.

961

:

Rusty Diamond: Du Maurier, du Maurier,

962

:

Elaine Lindsay: I think it was called

Extra Lights, but it was a silver

963

:

package with a burgundy ribbon on it.

964

:

Rusty Diamond: Yeah.

965

:

Very girly.

966

:

Elaine Lindsay: Okay.

967

:

I

968

:

Rusty Diamond: had a

girlfriend she was a girl.

969

:

She was from Toronto and

she would smoke those.

970

:

She yeah,

971

:

Elaine Lindsay: before that I

think it was Virginia Slims.

972

:

Rusty Diamond: Okay.

973

:

But

974

:

Elaine Lindsay: any, all that to say,

I am still a permanent non smoker.

975

:

Wow.

976

:

Rusty Diamond: That's, yeah, just that.

977

:

And I

978

:

Elaine Lindsay: am the only one

of the five who stopped smoking.

979

:

And I'm the only one

of the five that went.

980

:

Not planning to stop smoking.

981

:

Rusty Diamond: Which I probably

would have told you to not even come.

982

:

I would have said, don't come.

983

:

And I don't know when it,

984

:

Elaine Lindsay: I was

saving them 15 bucks a year.

985

:

No,

986

:

Rusty Diamond: you got

the best deal out of that.

987

:

Elaine Lindsay: Oh, I did.

988

:

And it was an introduction

to hypnotherapy for me.

989

:

Rusty Diamond: And I thought

990

:

Elaine Lindsay: hang on, if it

couldn't do this, so I'm After

991

:

my, a bunch of surgeries, I had

dealt with a hypnotherapist who put

992

:

together some guided meditations

for me to use to manage pain.

993

:

And super, super useful.

994

:

Rusty Diamond: Yeah, it's, it's great.

995

:

Hypnosis is great.

996

:

Oh, it absolutely is.

997

:

Elaine Lindsay: I wanted to be sure

and circle back to that because

998

:

I think what you do is wonderful.

999

:

Thank you.

:

01:00:16,342 --> 01:00:20,122

And yeah this has been a

very interesting episode.

:

01:00:20,212 --> 01:00:21,062

I thank you all.

:

01:00:21,152 --> 01:00:25,202

ever so much, and yes, we

will definitely do this again.

:

01:00:26,792 --> 01:00:28,772

Rusty Diamond has been my guest.

:

01:00:29,052 --> 01:00:36,232

You will find all of his information below

the podcast, and also how to contact him.

:

01:00:37,012 --> 01:00:40,162

And there will be what's

the word I'm looking for?

:

01:00:40,662 --> 01:00:44,112

Any special links that he wants

you to have, we'll make sure

:

01:00:44,112 --> 01:00:46,262

that they are available as well.

:

01:00:46,762 --> 01:00:49,732

You do have a number of things

that you do, which I think is

:

01:00:49,732 --> 01:00:52,042

fabulous, including your podcast.

:

01:00:52,552 --> 01:00:52,732

Yeah.

:

01:00:52,732 --> 01:00:57,592

That, and we will make sure that the

podcast is there and available as well.

:

01:00:59,442 --> 01:01:01,392

Rusty Diamond: Your episode is on there.

:

01:01:01,632 --> 01:01:01,992

Oh yeah.

:

01:01:01,992 --> 01:01:03,132

I'll link that episode.

:

01:01:03,132 --> 01:01:05,712

So if you're gonna listen to one, you

can listen to the one with Elaine.

:

01:01:05,712 --> 01:01:05,952

Thank you.

:

01:01:05,957 --> 01:01:06,437

It should be doing.

:

01:01:07,237 --> 01:01:08,102

Elaine Lindsay: That's very nice.

:

01:01:08,102 --> 01:01:08,942

Thank you very much.

:

01:01:08,942 --> 01:01:09,842

I appreciate that.

:

01:01:10,832 --> 01:01:11,162

Welcome.

:

01:01:11,162 --> 01:01:11,452

Once.

:

01:01:12,072 --> 01:01:16,702

Again, I want to say thank you so

much to Rusty and to our audience.

:

01:01:17,342 --> 01:01:21,742

And I want you to make the very

best of your today, every day, and

:

01:01:21,742 --> 01:01:23,332

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01:01:24,172 --> 01:01:24,822

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01:01:26,490 --> 01:01:29,540

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Adding empathy and offering hope to end the silence, stigma, and shame. ~Elaine Lindsay©2021

Come along on the transformative journey of ’Suicide Zen Forgiveness,’ where host Elaine Lindsay, a suicide loss survivor and advocate, invites listeners to break the silence about mental health struggles. Elaine wants to remove the shame felt by all who are touched by suicide loss, ideation and mental health. With over 50 years of personal experience, Elaine offers candid conversations, heartfelt stories, and practical insights aimed at ending the stigma and offering hope. Each episode explores themes of resilience, gratitude, and growth, encouraging listeners to navigate life’s challenges with bravery and compassion. Tune in for a blend of wisdom, authenticity, and unwavering support on a group journey of healing, hope, and understanding.

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